Picking Lauren Cerand’s Brain

JE: Independent publicist Lauren Cerand, who we’ve mentioned before here at Three Guys for her ability to help generate and foster the ineffable buzz, is one of the coolest people I’ve met in the business. When LC is trumpeting a project, I listen. I follow her tweets. I like her style, her approach, and her enthusiasm for her work. And she’s got a great smile to boot, which is imperative in the world of publicity! This weekend, Lauren let me throw some questions at her for the benefit of the writers among us. Listen. Learn it. Live it. Lauren, can you give me a brief job description for independent publicist? A day in the life of Lauren Cerand?

LC: An independent publicist provides personalized consultation to an author on how to comprehensively reach and engage the ideal audience for a book. Services range from pitching reviews and features to booking events, advising on online strategy and more. Much of my work focuses on creating and capitalizing on opportunities and generating positive momentum for creative professionals. Today was a pretty typical day. I woke up in a good mood because I spent a long weekend in the woods thanks to the country house largesse of my bud, Jen Bekman of 20×200.com fame. This grosses me out, but it’s a habit: as soon as I wake up I grab my BlackBerry and get back into bed, where I check my email and monitor blogs for mentions of my current clients and projects. I met my boss at Barnes & Noble, Brenda Marsh, for lunch in the West Village. The purpose was to celebrate my recent birthday but we also talked about Upstairs at the Square and other dynamic ways of connecting readers with writers. And we agreed it was the first official day of summer! Then I came home and made a list of projects to focus on this week (concluding spring campaigns, following up on consulting, press release distro for events). I also sent some background materials on prior speaking engagements to a university in California that may invite me to speak next spring and considered whether I’d like to go to Paris and London for potential gigs. Then at six o’clock I went to meet Michael Miller, the books editor at Time Out New York, for a drink in Chinatown. We talked about everything and it was great: technology, the critical establishment, cultural evolution and lots more. Mostly we told each other really funny off-the-record stories. I convinced him to join Twitter (I think) and we made plans to go to a party together. After he left I ate dinner at the bar and the owner tried to convince me to start a film series based on what I imagine was probably an impressive knowledge of film for someone eating dinner at a bar. Our intriguing conversation hinged on the acute emotional sensitivity of otherwise invulnerable thugs in two similar quasi-love scenes in the entirely brutal films, This is England and Taxi Driver. Sure, it’s something I could do, I guess, but I suggested that the bartender, an avowed cinephile, do it instead. I spend a lot of time making connections that might not otherwise happen and often think that may actually be my true talent. Now it’s eleven, and I’m making tomorrow’s to-do list. Mainly, I have to do a custom galley list for Terese Svoboda’s two books I’m publicizing. I also have a new business call with a potential future client, and a meeting with my pal Kamy Wicoff, founder of SheWrites.com. But first, dreamland.

JE: Following your tweets (and I do stalk you), your life always seems so sexy– this from a guy who does most of his social networking from the bathtub in the woods on an island in a dusty corner of the contiguous USA. You seem to always be out and about, and it’s quite obvious you love what you do, which makes you a magnetic personality, which seems ever-so-key to being successful. Tell me about your dream client, how does he or she help you help them?

LC: Well first, thank you for the kind words. I personally think my life is fairly mundane (I also often think of myself as shy, another conceptualization that is hotly contested) but everything in this world is propelled by a sense of immediacy. So if what I do and where I go seems happening then people will check out my projects. And it’s true, I only do what I love. That’s the truest thing about me. My dream client has nailed something about the human experience that no one else could do in precisely that way. Whether it’s about an aspect of love, or connection, or sex or death or imagination or what happens next in this mixed-up world, it stops my heart. Beyond that, s/he has to be motivated and committed to the project. Everyone I work with knows that no one has to do anything they don’t want to do, but that’s not a free pass either. If you don’t like readings, you don’t have to do any, but you need to blog instead.

JE: How do your clients find you? How does one get the opportunity to work with Lauren Cerand? Do the publishers pay for your services, or the writers themselves? I like the idea that you actually create work for your clients.

LC: My work comes 100% through word-of-mouth referrals. I often speak to organizations and groups because I like to meet as many new people as possible. In 2009, I’ve spoken to high school students at St. Alban’s School in Washington, DC, college students at Rider University in Lawrenceville, NJ, aspiring authors at the Nebraska Summer Writers Conference, and publishing professionals at Book Expo America. But knowing about my work is probably a fairly hip thing, unless you live in New York or are on the internet all day. I keep a low profile, relatively speaking, in that I’m usually more interested in talking about my clients than talking about myself.

I am always reading new manuscripts, which is usually the stage I get books in because I book my projects 6-12 months in advance. Of the people who write to me (I prefer initial contact by email), I probably talk to about 2 or 3 in 10 further. Most of the time, it’s just bad timing that rules a book out, but I definitely have a sensibility and my taste is as subjective as any one else’s. Of the authors I meet with or talk to on the phone, I’ll probably continue the conversation by requesting a manuscript from about half of them. Money is the main issue at that stage but outlook counts, too. I don’t focus on traditional media and it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say I couldn’t care less about it. Reviews matter, but they’re not the only thing. Nothing is the only thing anymore. I’m aiming to create a constellation and we need to see the same stars. Once I have the book in hand, it’s like Beckett says,* either you love or you don’t.* It’s not personal. Writing rejections is my least favorite thing about my job and I try to refer everyone to someone who could be right. If the publisher is a big house, they will often pick up a significant portion of the cost. But it’s really the author who drives the process. Although I view the nature of my profession as extremely collaborative and strive to create that atmosphere at all times, I prefer to do my work alone– I was once introduced at a conference as “the very independent independent publicist” — and I only do about six projects per year, by choice. In general, my philosophy is to do less, better. I don’t want working with me to become an elitist thing, though, so I do one-time stra
tegic consultations by phone on a rolling basis for a flat fee. I definitely have a different approach, and want my perspective and expertise to be accessible, at least on a conceptual level. Those calls are fun to do and have proved very popular. You’d be surprised how much you can solve in that context; most people’s core challenge is one of resource organization. I’ve publicized the work of authors including Rudolph Wurlitzer, Roxana Robinson, Anne Landsman, Min Jin Lee, Tayari Jones, Marcy Dermansky, Jeffrey Frank and Laird Hunt. This year, I’m working with Jonathan Baumbach, Mark Sarvas, Ben Greenman, Jean Thompson, and Terese Svoboda. I do the “Upstairs at the Square” series for Barnes & Noble, which is at www.bn.com/upstairs.

JE: So, in a phone conversation we had awhile back, you touched on this idea–to which I wholeheartedly subscribe– and you touched again upon it at BEA panel recently: talk to us a little bit about creating perception.

LC: Two things are essential for effective publicity: a sense of urgency, and the perception of ubiquity. There are thousands of books published per month, competing with all of the other forms of media and entertainment,including human social interaction, so why should someone choose to checkout of every other option to curl up solo in a corner somewhere with your novel? Usually buzz is what makes us pick something up. People are talking about “it” and more importantly, they’re talking about it now. And everyone wants to belong and participate in the conversation. That’s just part of being human. I understand that this can come across as out of reach and impossibly daunting but basically this paragraph is my job, and has been,day in and day out, for eight years. It’s a scalable endeavor. The key thing is to understand who exactly you’re trying to reach with your message. Who’s your ideal reader? What is she or he into? Where does this person obtain information? That’s where you start. I like to approach each campaign as though a constellation were being created. Every new piece of exposure is a new bright spot, and the point is to pack as many stars into the night sky as possible. For example, you might begin with your web presence. That’s one thing. Reviews are another. Guest pieces for other blogs are another. And so on with profiles, interviews, Twitter and other forms of social media, events, etc. When everything lines up, you shine.

JE: How about one piece of advice, say, for the soon-to-be debut novelist whose galleys are one month removed. Mine advice would be: don’t quit your day job. How about Lauren Cerand, what’s her advice?

LC: The main thing to remember is that nothing happens overnight, not even — and maybe, especially not — overnight success stories. The authors that I see consistently lining up the best gigs and getting enviable exposure are not the ones with the most money to burn or endless time to spend but rather the ones that take the long view of their careers and keep a sense of perspective on things. Fiction takes a while to get going. I’ve been reading all of these cultural studies lately because I’m really into using the democratic medium of the internet to reverse this thing that’s happening to literature, where it’s in danger of becoming as relevant as jazz, so I’ve been looking at historical patterns for new ideas in books like Slanted and Enchanted, Buying In, Notes From Underground: Zines and the Politics of Alternative Culture, Unmarketable, etc. In Hip: A History the author helpfully points out that those quintessentially American avatars of literature, Melville and Whitman, were sales failures at fairly critical junctions in their careers, if not their lifetimes. On the other hand, this notion of, I’m only thinking about the canon type of BS is why so many authors have shoehorned themselves into this tiny irrelevant section of the cultural universe, by only taking the long-view. A healthy outlook is somewhere in the middle. But no matter what anyone says, just know that it takes more than six months of busting your ass for your novel to get noticed. I publicized Anne Landsman’s The Rowing Lesson in hardcover and paperback a couple years ago, and it just won the most prestigious literary prize in South Africa about a month ago. If you do your job right, a book has a life that continues beyond the PR.

JE: Thanks a ton, Lauren. I’m crossin’ my fingers I get to work with you on West of Here!


  • Dan Wickett

    Having had the pleasure of co-running a few e-panels with Lauren, I can say if I had a new book being published next year, I'd hope beyond hope that she loved it and would take a look at working with me.Great interview.

  • Dan Wickett

    Having had the pleasure of co-running a few e-panels with Lauren, I can say if I had a new book being published next year, I'd hope beyond hope that she loved it and would take a look at working with me.

    Great interview.

  • DH

    That's a great interview, JE. Lauren sounds so cool. One thing I picked up on is that a writer should know their audience…before they speak or blog about their work.Do all writers have a sense of who their audience is? Or want to know that?

  • DH

    That's a great interview, JE. Lauren sounds so cool. One thing I picked up on is that a writer should know their audience…before they speak or blog about their work.

    Do all writers have a sense of who their audience is? Or want to know that?

  • Kimberly M. Wetherell

    This was a GREAT interview! Encouraging AND enlightening! Thanks for posting!

  • Kimberly M. Wetherell

    This was a GREAT interview! Encouraging AND enlightening! Thanks for posting!

  • DH

    I agree with Lauren's statement…and JR's take on it…mostly. The more original the work, the more the artist is creating their own audience…educating people to support their work. But I also like a sense that the writer is trying to reach out to a community of which they are a part…

  • DH

    I agree with Lauren's statement…and JR's take on it…mostly. The more original the work, the more the artist is creating their own audience…educating people to support their work.

    But I also like a sense that the writer is trying to reach out to a community of which they are a part…

  • Natasha Solomons

    Thanks, most insightful.Do you know how Lauren manages to work/ co-ordinate with the publicists at the big publishers? They usually have firm ideas of how they see a book/ its campaign. It sounds like careful diplomacy is needed.

  • Natasha Solomons

    Thanks, most insightful.

    Do you know how Lauren manages to work/ co-ordinate with the publicists at the big publishers? They usually have firm ideas of how they see a book/ its campaign. It sounds like careful diplomacy is needed.

  • jonathan evison

    . . .excellent question, natasha, and one i've been meaning to ask LC . . .maybe i can lure her back to address this one . . .

  • jonathan evison

    . . .excellent question, natasha, and one i've been meaning to ask LC . . .maybe i can lure her back to address this one . . .

  • Dan Wickett

    Dzanc has had two or three authors that also hired independent publicists. We've also worked on a reading tour with one of our authors and one from U-Arkansas Press and are in the process of setting up some readings with one of our authors and one from Spiegel & Grau.We've obviously smaller and do not have one person assigned to each book like the larger publishers, but we've never had a problem. If there is communication early enough, there's rarely duplication of efforts. If the indie publicist has an inside track with a reviewer from a paper, or a curator of a reading series and we do not – hell, let her/him take the lead. I think a lot of it goes back to JE's drive for community building. Take advantage of whomever has that lead – the author, the publisher, the publicist, somebody's third cousin – whatever it takes.It would be cool to hear though if it's much different when working with one of the bigs.

  • Dan Wickett

    Dzanc has had two or three authors that also hired independent publicists. We've also worked on a reading tour with one of our authors and one from U-Arkansas Press and are in the process of setting up some readings with one of our authors and one from Spiegel & Grau.

    We've obviously smaller and do not have one person assigned to each book like the larger publishers, but we've never had a problem. If there is communication early enough, there's rarely duplication of efforts. If the indie publicist has an inside track with a reviewer from a paper, or a curator of a reading series and we do not – hell, let her/him take the lead. I think a lot of it goes back to JE's drive for community building. Take advantage of whomever has that lead – the author, the publisher, the publicist, somebody's third cousin – whatever it takes.

    It would be cool to hear though if it's much different when working with one of the bigs.

  • Greg Olear

    Great interview.Well, I've got the sense of urgency part down pat. I don't think I'm going to be able to relax until Christmas, if then…

  • Greg Olear

    Great interview.

    Well, I've got the sense of urgency part down pat. I don't think I'm going to be able to relax until Christmas, if then…

  • jonathan evison

    . . .glad you saw this, greg . . . i can say from experience that greg is doing everything right . . . his book, "totally killer" (which i blurbed!) launches october 1– it's a hilarious send-up of 90s thriller ala "the firm" . . . greg has been putting the heat on and audience building for five or six months, which is exactly as it should be . . . i predict that greg, with his own efforts, will impact his book sales enough to better his position for round two– which most writers, alas, never make it to . . . the difference? hustle, baby . . .every young writer has to play like peter rose in today's game!

  • jonathan evison

    . . .glad you saw this, greg . . . i can say from experience that greg is doing everything right . . . his book, "totally killer" (which i blurbed!) launches october 1– it's a hilarious send-up of 90s thriller ala "the firm" . . . greg has been putting the heat on and audience building for five or six months, which is exactly as it should be . . . i predict that greg, with his own efforts, will impact his book sales enough to better his position for round two– which most writers, alas, never make it to . . . the difference? hustle, baby . . .every young writer has to play like peter rose in today's game!

  • Greg Olear

    Thanks, JE. Appreciate the kind words — and the blurb, of course!If I were really like Pete Rose, I'd bet on myself — and then I'd get thrown out of the Hall of Fame and…OK, so the analogy has broken down.

  • Greg Olear

    Thanks, JE. Appreciate the kind words — and the blurb, of course!

    If I were really like Pete Rose, I'd bet on myself — and then I'd get thrown out of the Hall of Fame and…OK, so the analogy has broken down.

  • jonathan evison

    . . . by all means bet on yourself! steroids have blurred the hall of fame prerequisites beyond recognition, anyway . . .

  • jonathan evison

    . . . by all means bet on yourself! steroids have blurred the hall of fame prerequisites beyond recognition, anyway . . .

  • Lauren Cerand

    I design my work to be complementary to what in-house services publishers provide, which depends on a wide array of factors including the size of the house, the resources for the book, etc. When I started out, I focused on online media and dynamic events because that's what I'm into, but also because that was missing from the scene in 2003/4/5. There's more room for healthy, fruitful strategic collaboration than there is for anyone to get squeezed, in my opinion. I've discovered in consulting to organizations beyond the campaign model that it's a real asset to provide an external perspective; much of what's problematic within industries comes from a myopic worldview and stagnant groupthink. I can encourage people to take risks and restructure certain outdated ways of approaching systems in a straightforward manner that I can appreciate as impossible to direct from within "in-house." It's all good.

  • Lauren Cerand

    I design my work to be complementary to what in-house services publishers provide, which depends on a wide array of factors including the size of the house, the resources for the book, etc. When I started out, I focused on online media and dynamic events because that's what I'm into, but also because that was missing from the scene in 2003/4/5. There's more room for healthy, fruitful strategic collaboration than there is for anyone to get squeezed, in my opinion. I've discovered in consulting to organizations beyond the campaign model that it's a real asset to provide an external perspective; much of what's problematic within industries comes from a myopic worldview and stagnant groupthink. I can encourage people to take risks and restructure certain outdated ways of approaching systems in a straightforward manner that I can appreciate as impossible to direct from within "in-house." It's all good.

  • jonathan evison

    LOVE this bit, LC:"I've discovered in consulting to organizations beyond the campaign model that it's a real asset to provide an external perspective; much of what's problematic within industries comes from a myopic worldview and stagnant groupthink." . . . this is so so soooo true! i've found that where i've been successful at nearly every stage is by being counter-intuitive to the prevailing logic, and getting outside my comfort zone– and this is equally true as an artist and a marketer . . .

  • jonathan evison

    LOVE this bit, LC:

    "I've discovered in consulting to organizations beyond the campaign model that it's a real asset to provide an external perspective; much of what's problematic within industries comes from a myopic worldview and stagnant groupthink."

    . . . this is so so soooo true! i've found that where i've been successful at nearly every stage is by being counter-intuitive to the prevailing logic, and getting outside my comfort zone– and this is equally true as an artist and a marketer . . .

  • Greg Olear

    Worldview myopia and groupthink stagnation, incidentally, is what is killing/has killed newspapers.A nimbler industry would have — to continue the baseball metaphor, JE — knocked the hanging curve that was the Internet revolution out of the park, instead of taking it and waiting for another pitch.And don't even get me started on the music industry…

  • Greg Olear

    Worldview myopia and groupthink stagnation, incidentally, is what is killing/has killed newspapers.

    A nimbler industry would have — to continue the baseball metaphor, JE — knocked the hanging curve that was the Internet revolution out of the park, instead of taking it and waiting for another pitch.

    And don't even get me started on the music industry…

  • It really is three guys.

    Lets be honest, the music business "model" is gone, like a fart in a blizzard, the book business model, well, it's holding on, but as they used to say in Chelsea Billiards when a game was over and the player losing didn't know it…"You're dead, you just forgot to lay down."-jr

  • It really is three guys.

    Lets be honest, the music business "model" is gone, like a fart in a blizzard, the book business model, well, it's holding on, but as they used to say in Chelsea Billiards when a game was over and the player losing didn't know it…"You're dead, you just forgot to lay down."
    -jr

  • Natasha Solomons

    Thanks so much for answering my question. Sceptre and Reagan Arthur (who are publishing my book in the UK and US respectively) have really interesting ideas for reaching readers – and we are discussing different ideas for promoting online. It's a new world for me. So, thanks again Lauren and 3 guys…

  • Natasha Solomons

    Thanks so much for answering my question. Sceptre and Reagan Arthur (who are publishing my book in the UK and US respectively) have really interesting ideas for reaching readers – and we are discussing different ideas for promoting online. It's a new world for me.

    So, thanks again Lauren and 3 guys…

  • jonathan evison

    . . .i love reagan arthur, btw . . . she's one of the best in the business, and a total class act!

  • jonathan evison

    . . .i love reagan arthur, btw . . . she's one of the best in the business, and a total class act!

  • Gina Frangello

    It's always really thrilling to hear from Lauren, someone who unabashedly only does what she loves and has made that, more than anything else, her mission as a publicist. I've heard her speak in person in both small and large conferences, from Pilcrow to BEA, and there is no one more sincerely enthusiastic or having a better time in publishing than LC–and it shows. I think one of the great things for the authors who work with her is that everyone who knows her knows there is no bullshit involved–if she says she loved it and it rocked her world, you can damn well believe it, and her intensity is such that you start to figure it'll rock yours too. Great interview!

  • Gina Frangello

    It's always really thrilling to hear from Lauren, someone who unabashedly only does what she loves and has made that, more than anything else, her mission as a publicist. I've heard her speak in person in both small and large conferences, from Pilcrow to BEA, and there is no one more sincerely enthusiastic or having a better time in publishing than LC–and it shows. I think one of the great things for the authors who work with her is that everyone who knows her knows there is no bullshit involved–if she says she loved it and it rocked her world, you can damn well believe it, and her intensity is such that you start to figure it'll rock yours too. Great interview!

  • James P. Othmer

    More great stuff. Thanks Guysx3 and Lauren. My first job out of college was as publicist for Kurt Vonnegut and Richard Yates, and about 20 other authors. I wasn't very good at it. Which is why every time I speak with my publicist today I realize how hard their job is and how many books they're juggling during leaner and leaner times. I've been lucky to have two energetic and collaborative in-house publicists work on my books. I try to give them as much info and ideas as I can early on and then try to stay out of their way. I'd thought of working with an independent publicist for my next (nonfiction) book, and I'm certain it would have helped for all the reasons mentioned, namely, to Lauren's comment, for the complementary,external perspectives, and, I imagine, a different set of close contacts. Who wouldn't want that? However, what I couldn't determine, was how much it would help, short or long term, in relation to what it would cost. I'm certain it would ultimately be a worthwhile investment, but (see leaner and leaner times) one I couldn't swing this time around. I'd love to see the discussion continue with an emphasis on something I've been giving an unhealthy amount of thought to, advertising and promotion.

  • James P. Othmer

    More great stuff. Thanks Guysx3 and Lauren. My first job out of college was as publicist for Kurt Vonnegut and Richard Yates, and about 20 other authors. I wasn't very good at it. Which is why every time I speak with my publicist today I realize how hard their job is and how many books they're juggling during leaner and leaner times. I've been lucky to have two energetic and collaborative in-house publicists work on my books. I try to give them as much info and ideas as I can early on and then try to stay out of their way. I'd thought of working with an independent publicist for my next (nonfiction) book, and I'm certain it would have helped for all the reasons mentioned, namely, to Lauren's comment, for the complementary,external perspectives, and, I imagine, a different set of close contacts. Who wouldn't want that? However, what I couldn't determine, was how much it would help, short or long term, in relation to what it would cost. I'm certain it would ultimately be a worthwhile investment, but (see leaner and leaner times) one I couldn't swing this time around. I'd love to see the discussion continue with an emphasis on something I've been giving an unhealthy amount of thought to, advertising and promotion.

  • Drinks with Tony

    great info.i love the 'don't quit your day job' line JE. i've avoided a day job…by working 60 hours a week sometimes, to keep up my freelance writing. now in this economy, i just might have to learn how to steam milk for a latte.still wouldn't trade the writing trade fo' nothin'. it's kind of like writing a epitaph for a very long time.

  • Drinks with Tony

    great info.

    i love the 'don't quit your day job' line JE.

    i've avoided a day job…by working 60 hours a week sometimes, to keep up my freelance writing. now in this economy, i just might have to learn how to steam milk for a latte.

    still wouldn't trade the writing trade fo' nothin'. it's kind of like writing a epitaph for a very long time.

  • Hendrics

    Thank you for this great interview Jonathan Evison it was a great pleasure reading it.jogos